Discussion: 2012 Rules

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Discussion: 2012 Rules

Postby schmoo » Sat Apr 28, 2012 7:30 pm

If you have questions on the 2012 Rules, please post here!
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Re: Discussion: 2012 Rules

Postby condor888000 » Sat Apr 28, 2012 7:50 pm

C class again, cept this year I have wider tires and a proper suspension. Win! :mrgreen:
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Re: Discussion: 2012 Rules

Postby BMW POWER » Sat Apr 28, 2012 9:29 pm

Nice job guys, simple, structured and clear :thumbup: did we drop the idea of the sixth or MOD class?
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Re: Discussion: 2012 Rules

Postby reitrof » Sat Apr 28, 2012 9:48 pm

What's the number of points that bump you up a class? 15??
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Re: Discussion: 2012 Rules

Postby condor888000 » Sat Apr 28, 2012 10:00 pm

Yes, 15 points is the magic number to bump you up a class.
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Re: Discussion: 2012 Rules

Postby schmoo » Sat Apr 28, 2012 10:52 pm

BMW POWER wrote:Nice job guys, simple, structured and clear :thumbup: did we drop the idea of the sixth or MOD class?


Can't give you any insight, Ralf. Suggest you follow-up with Alain to get the back story.
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Re: Discussion: 2012 Rules

Postby TrueChaos » Sun Apr 29, 2012 5:05 pm

So a '99 miata with star spec's would be C+10?

I'm getting an alignment done that I suspect is outside the factory spec, but can't seem to find the factory spec. Anyone have stock miata alignment specs?

Re- helmet requirements, I'm guessing that a roll bar counts as a roll cage and would require a SA2000 helmet minimum?
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Re: Discussion: 2012 Rules

Postby condor888000 » Sun Apr 29, 2012 7:02 pm

You're fine with a M rated helmet with a roll bar.
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Re: Discussion: 2012 Rules

Postby dscottp » Sun Apr 29, 2012 7:56 pm

BMW POWER wrote:Nice job guys, simple, structured and clear :thumbup: did we drop the idea of the sixth or MOD class?


This might be nice, as there seems to be more, and more heavily modded cars racing against guys bringing daily drivers into A class.
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Re: Discussion: 2012 Rules

Postby Protege2886 » Mon Apr 30, 2012 8:55 am

Damnit B class for the BMW.

Any insight into why a '91 318is = E+7 whereas a '92 318is = E?
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Re: Discussion: 2012 Rules

Postby eyemaster » Mon Apr 30, 2012 9:40 am

condor888000 wrote:You're fine with a M rated helmet with a roll bar.


I think the Helmet limit is M2005 or SA2005, I believe the M and SA 2000 are expired and cannot be used.
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Re: Discussion: 2012 Rules

Postby sb_600 » Mon Apr 30, 2012 9:45 am

Protege2886 wrote:Damnit B class for the BMW.

Any insight into why a '91 318is = E+7 whereas a '92 318is = E?



probably because it comes with a 4.10LSD, instead of a 3.XX open which the '92 has :P
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Re: Discussion: 2012 Rules

Postby luker » Mon Apr 30, 2012 9:56 am

According to the SCCA rules (now adopted in full by CASC-OR) M2000 is still accepted. Also, there appears to be zero mention of SA helmets and roll bars and/or roll cages. That is somewhat of a surprise.
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Re: Discussion: 2012 Rules

Postby Protege2886 » Mon Apr 30, 2012 10:13 am

sb_600 wrote:
Protege2886 wrote:Damnit B class for the BMW.

Any insight into why a '91 318is = E+7 whereas a '92 318is = E?



probably because it comes with a 4.10LSD, instead of a 3.XX open which the '92 has :P


I thought both "is" variants came with the optional LSD (ratios may have differed)
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Re: Discussion: 2012 Rules

Postby eilan578 » Mon Apr 30, 2012 11:00 am

Unless I'm missing it, what about Honda Civic Si 1992?
Would it be E or E+7?
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Re: Discussion: 2012 Rules

Postby B Greenaway » Mon Apr 30, 2012 11:28 am

Protege2886 wrote:Damnit B class for the BMW.

Any insight into why a '91 318is = E+7 whereas a '92 318is = E?


I'll be joining you in b it seems. Will have to make the 12 butterfly fart power count!
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Re: Discussion: 2012 Rules

Postby Chris.B » Mon Apr 30, 2012 11:59 am

Protege2886 wrote:Damnit B class for the BMW.

Any insight into why a '91 318is = E+7 whereas a '92 318is = E?


Most likely because they both put out the same power (same engines) and the e30 is smaller, lighter, and more nimble, making it a better starter autoX car (in stock configuration of course)
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Re: Discussion: 2012 Rules

Postby luker » Mon Apr 30, 2012 1:50 pm

FYI CASC-OR 2011 Autoslalom rules are no longer valid and have been replaced by the SCCA rules. All of our rules reference the old rules.
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Re: Discussion: 2012 Rules

Postby TrueChaos » Mon Apr 30, 2012 7:22 pm

condor888000 wrote:You're fine with a M rated helmet with a roll bar.


Sweet, really? That's a few hundred less to budget in the roll bar/race bucket/6 point budget. :chug:
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Re: Discussion: 2012 Rules

Postby condor888000 » Mon Apr 30, 2012 9:57 pm

Having said that, it'd be wiser to have the SA, don't get me wrong. I'm planning on using the M2005 I currently have for this season, however next year, or even mid year if I find a deal, I'll be upgrading to an SA2010.
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Re: Discussion: 2012 Rules

Postby GoesFilled » Tue May 01, 2012 3:09 am

Personally - my open-faced M is better for AutoX - I'll be upgrading to a SA Full Face for lapping.
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Re: Discussion: 2012 Rules

Postby Jordan » Tue May 01, 2012 4:59 pm

Concerned about all the fella's in A-class now Scott? I wonder why that could be ... and I second his motion in favour of a Mod class.

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BMW POWER wrote:Nice job guys, simple, structured and clear :thumbup: did we drop the idea of the sixth or MOD class?


This might be nice, as there seems to be more, and more heavily modded cars racing against guys bringing daily drivers into A class.
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Re: Discussion: 2012 Rules

Postby vwgolf2lwk » Wed May 02, 2012 11:31 am

Question....

I see there is a multi tier system for weight reduction prep points.... but I don't see points assigned to each? :insane:
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Re: Discussion: 2012 Rules

Postby adambro » Wed May 02, 2012 11:59 am

vwgolf2lwk wrote:Question....

I see there is a multi tier system for weight reduction prep points.... but I don't see points assigned to each? :insane:

Guy - have a look on the registration form:

Level 1 (<5% reduction): +5
Level 2 (5-10% reduction): +10
Level 3 (>10% reduction): +15
rollbar/cage: -2 (only if one of the above is already taken)
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Re: Discussion: 2012 Rules

Postby DEye » Wed May 02, 2012 3:50 pm

adambro wrote:
vwgolf2lwk wrote:Question....

I see there is a multi tier system for weight reduction prep points.... but I don't see points assigned to each? :insane:

Guy - have a look on the registration form:

Level 1 (<5% reduction): +5
Level 2 (5-10% reduction): +10
Level 3 (>10% reduction): +15
rollbar/cage: -2 (only if one of the above is already taken)



There used to be a section where adding a Fire Extinguished would offset the first level of weight reduction - it still there ?
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