BMW Project Car #323

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Re: BMW Project Car #323

Postby Chris_A » Wed Apr 11, 2012 9:49 pm

Spending time on painting the grille won't get you to the test and tune in Picton.

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Re: BMW Project Car #323

Postby Protege2886 » Wed Apr 11, 2012 11:33 pm

Root_Moose wrote:Spending time on painting the grille won't get you to the test and tune in Picton.

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Yup I know.

Ran into a few more problems tonight.
I tested the wiper motor on its own and it's fine. Plugged it back into the car, hit the switch, and.....nothing? Crap!
It seems that I may have a blown wiper relay as well. Prices for the part range from $50 for aftermarket to $160 for OEM. I managed to get one from http://www.bestpricecarparts.com for $29. I'll hopefully have it tomorrow.

In the meantime, I have to find time to get to Ogdensburg to pick up my swaybars and brake lines.
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Re: BMW Project Car #323

Postby NiTeC » Thu Apr 12, 2012 11:02 am

pretty sure there's a few of these at Kenny...nothing beats free wiper relays ;)
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Re: BMW Project Car #323

Postby Protege2886 » Thu Apr 12, 2012 11:05 am

NiTeC wrote:pretty sure there's a few of these at Kenny...nothing beats free wiper relays ;)


Yah I've been meaning to get out there. My dad went to the one on the ON side and said he only saw 1 and it was pretty much just a frame.
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Re: BMW Project Car #323

Postby Chris_A » Thu Apr 12, 2012 11:22 am

I was there last week - two E30s there. I didn't look at them close enough to see what had been picked over though.
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Re: BMW Project Car #323

Postby Protege2886 » Thu Apr 12, 2012 11:30 am

Cool! I'll keep that in mind and see if I can find some time to go over.
My part should be shipping today but I haven't seen a confirmation email yet.

I'm also tempted to just bypass the relay and just have a master power to the wiper motor on a switch.
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Re: BMW Project Car #323

Postby sb_600 » Thu Apr 12, 2012 11:33 am

Protege2886 wrote:I'm also tempted to just bypass the relay and just have a master power to the wiper motor on a switch.


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Re: BMW Project Car #323

Postby Protege2886 » Thu Apr 19, 2012 10:00 am

Ok so the wipers still don't work. From what I can tell, it's one of the links on the passenger side that's just seized solid. Of course it's virtually impossible to access it.
I don't have much time to get the car done up so I've moved on. I need to pick my battles. So with that said, the wipers will be left to Ralf and Phil to fix (sorry guys, I tried).

I decided to tackle the short shifter.

With Pat's help, we were able to tackle the job. First thing I noticed was that the stock shifter was...well...oblong?
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So unfortunately, despite being told that this kit wouldn't have any issues in my car, the selector rod definitely rests on the harmonic balancer in the odd-numbered gears.
I have to read up on how to bend the rod exactly (i.e where, which direction, etc.).

The car is now up on stands in the garage.

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Re: BMW Project Car #323

Postby Protege2886 » Thu Apr 19, 2012 10:55 am

I found a great write-up for how to modify the selector rod. Gotta love google searches!
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Re: BMW Project Car #323

Postby Chris.B » Thu Apr 19, 2012 7:47 pm

Give Bobby at Europarts a call. I'm sure he's got some e30 wiper motors sitting around.
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Re: BMW Project Car #323

Postby Protege2886 » Fri Apr 20, 2012 9:32 am

Thanks Chris but the motor works. It's the linkage on the passenger side that is seized.
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Re: BMW Project Car #323

Postby sb_600 » Fri Apr 20, 2012 10:06 am

Jeff - I'm sure the same thing applies - ask him for a linkage!!!
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Re: BMW Project Car #323

Postby Protege2886 » Mon Apr 23, 2012 11:06 am

So I slept a grand total of an hour on Thursday night thanks for Mother Nature's love of biological warfare. I swear Superman has Kryptonite and I have pollen *sigh.
This resulted in taking a day off work and being super drained for the weekend. Nevertheless I managed to get some work done on the car.

- I marked up the selector rod, got it out of the car, bent it in my make-shift pipe bender, and got it back in the car. The rod now clears the balancer in all gears. The finished shifter feels SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO much better than the old "Want a gear? Spin the shifter and find a gear!" shifter.

- I dismantled the front brakes and pretreated the connections at the calipers and hardlines with heavy-duty penetrating spray. The previous owner must have done the brakes recently because there was plenty of pad left on the front and the bolts for the caliper bracket actually had anti-seize on them (AWESOME!).

- I also got the trunk/spoiler masked off for future painting. This is a low priority but I had some paper kicking around in the recycling that I figured I should make use of before Tuesday :P

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Re: BMW Project Car #323

Postby Protege2886 » Mon Apr 23, 2012 12:04 pm

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Re: BMW Project Car #323

Postby wing » Mon Apr 23, 2012 12:38 pm

Don't put anti-sieze on caliper bolts -- ask Dave what happens....
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Re: BMW Project Car #323

Postby Protege2886 » Mon Apr 23, 2012 1:04 pm

wing wrote:Don't put anti-sieze on caliper bolts -- ask Dave what happens....


Yes I can imagine it would be a crisis if they fell out.
It was nice taking them apart though.
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Re: BMW Project Car #323

Postby catana » Wed Apr 25, 2012 8:00 am

Yeah funny story :? . Its great when your working on the car but when they come off on Wilson side rd after a day at Calabogie things get interesting. Replaced with locktite. :D
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Re: BMW Project Car #323

Postby John Powell » Sat Apr 28, 2012 11:49 am

If the bolts are that "iffy" it would probably be best to lock-wire them.
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Re: BMW Project Car #323

Postby ScotcH » Sat Apr 28, 2012 4:21 pm

Clean dry threads on almost all bolts, and proper torque specs, and we've never had issues. Locktite only goes on a few bolts (rear lower shock mount), but in most cases, not required.
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Re: BMW Project Car #323

Postby Protege2886 » Mon Apr 30, 2012 8:48 am

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Re: BMW Project Car #323

Postby Protege2886 » Thu May 17, 2012 8:56 am

Some delayed updates from the weekend

- Stopped by the shop and Ralf gave me a shit-list of stuff the car needs to be ready for the track. I'm glad he gave me the full list because there were some things on there I wouldn't have thought of. New backing plates seem to be the world's most annoying replacement item on BMWs. Long story short, here's the list:
1) New hardlines for the brakes
2) New emergency brake
3) New backing plates (which require new bearings and led to me needing new hardlines)
4) Holes need patching
5) Needs new wiper assembly

I've started calling in favors and ordering parts.
Shawn, Chris, and Jamie are going to help me out with the work. Chris pointed me to Fedhill USA where he got the material for his hardlines. $155 dollars afforded me 50' of hardline and all the necessary fittings.
Pelican parts provided the backing plates ($24 ea) and bestpricecarparts.com was the source for the e-brake rebuild kit (shoes, hardware, cable) and the wheel bearings.

In total, $470 worth of parts were ordered on Saturday. Now we wait.

Rather than order a new wiper assembly from bestpricecarparts ($250) or eBay (~$150), I decided to try my luck @ Kenny-u-pull. OMG am I ever glad I did. After fighting with an E30, I managed to coax the assembly out and paid a grand total of THREE DOLLARS . I couldn't believe it! I also picked up a tensioning bolt for the power steering pump bracket. Apparently mine disappeared and the noise and vibration was actually the pump moving side to side (yikes!)

I also found out that the BMW will require new hubcentric rings for the two sets of rims I have ( My buddy Paul's old protege rims - brand unknown & Chuck's Kosei rims). Plastic ring sets are $25 each from 1010tire. I was going to order those until Chris pointed me to tulipcitywheels.com. The ring sets there are $10/set! Big thanks to Chris again! :thumbup:

The BMW is still with Ralf having the wiper assembly installed. I broke A LOT of stuff off the E30 at Kenny's and I figured I'd leave installation to the professionals. I'm hoping to get it back tonight or Friday. At which point I need to figure out how to get some metal from the metal superstore and rivet in patches that I will weld-in later once I'm at Shawn's. I could try to weld with the fluxcore I have at home but welding sheet metal is a pain in the ass without shielding gas. I've done it before, it's just tricky.

[05/17/2012] Most of the parts and materials have arrived in Ogdensburg or have been delivered to my door. I'm off work tomorrow and the plan is to finish things up on the Mazda as best I can and get the BMW into the garage and back on stands.
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Re: BMW Project Car #323

Postby runwhatyabrung » Thu May 17, 2012 10:28 am

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I also found out that the BMW will require new hubcentric rings for the two sets of rims I have ( My buddy Paul's old protege rims - brand unknown & Chuck's Kosei rims). Plastic ring sets are $25 each from 1010tire. I was going to order those until Chris pointed me to tulipcitywheels.com. The ring sets there are $10/set! Big thanks to Chris again! :thumbup:
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I hope you found metal hubcentic rings. Plastic ones can melt if your brakes get real hot on lapping days. :o Plastic, good enough for the street but iffy at the track
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Re: BMW Project Car #323

Postby Protege2886 » Thu May 17, 2012 10:59 am

Chuck had plastic ones on the Kosei rims and I'm pretty sure they were his track rims.

Most thermoplastics are good up to 330-350 *C.

I'll take my chances I guess.
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Picton Weekend Recap

Postby Protege2886 » Fri Jun 01, 2012 2:31 pm

[The BMW is still in pieces so we used the Mazda this weekend]

Dad and I survived the weekend!

FRIDAY
We drove to Napanee Friday night after loading up the two cars. Yes two cars – every race team has a support vehicle :lol:
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The $55/night motel certainly wasn’t the Hilton but it was clean and the floor didn’t crawl (*shudder)

SATURDAY
Saturday was a pro-solo (think drag race through an autocross course) at the Picton Airport. Two “identical” tracks were setup on intersecting runways. We spent the morning doing runs on alternating tracks and setting qualifying times. In total everyone did 6 runs in the morning. Average running times ranged from 45-60+ seconds. In the afternoon, everyone was seeded based on the times they set in the morning. The race then became an elimination event beginning with the two slowest drivers facing off and the winner of each battle moving up the list. It felt like an episode of PINKS. We had a “line judge” at the start doing the whole arm drop scenario. Unfortunately Dad was the slowest (it was his first time after all) and hit a cone in his second heat which eliminated him. From there the battles went back and forth with winners changing constantly. Finally it got to me. I was one of the first ones to establish a streak and managed to eliminate 3 cars ( 80’s civic hatchback, race-prepped CRX, and a Honda S2000) before going three rounds with an Eclipse where I eventually spun and was eliminated. I got a nice round of applause from the group and it was pretty nice to do well in front of my Dad.

SUNDAY

Sunday’s Regional autocross event was also held at the Picton Airport but this time the course used all three runways (~3km)

The course wasn’t as “flowy” and fast as it had been in previous years but it was still fun.

Dad and I started the day on our used 205/55 14 R888 tires. I was told they would last at least 1 full lapping day and then it would be touch and go from there.
After doing the pro-solo on Saturday, the tires were getting pretty low. I had done 15 runs on the day which means 15 burn outs ON TOP of Dad’s runs.
We managed to get through the morning on the R888’s but they didn’t make it much further than that. After completing my first run in the afternoon, I was inspecting the tires while dad rolled through the staging area. I thought we were in good shape until I noticed the belts on the outer perimeter of one of the tires. I didn’t feel comfortable sending dad out so we franticly drove back into the pits and it was a full 4 wheel swap. I broke torque, jacked the car and got the first two wheels done, then I jacked the passenger side of the car while Pat torqued the driver’s side. Dad took care of bringing the tires back and forth. Within 10 minutes four brand new 225/ 55 15 Nitto NT01 R-Comps were on the car and we were back in the staging lanes. Of course it was only as I was belting in that I realized these tires had been sitting in my basement since last May and I hadn’t checked the pressures. Thankfully they had been overfilled to 38psi and just needed some air bled out. The grip was ridiculous. It was also a big change going from the dead R888s which are basically a glorified street tire to the r-comps. The street tires make noise and yell at you when you push them. The r-comps only make noise when you are flirting with the edge of disaster. I loved them.

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We got 6 runs in total with an average time of around 2 minutes. The fastest lap was a 1:54. My fastest lap was a 2:02 which was good for second place in my class. Another year another podium. That’s 5 podiums in 5 events. My regional points streak is ridiculous!

There was no time to relax after the event though. We quickly swapped my streets back on the car, packed up the two vehicles, and drove straight to Shannonville Motorsports Park for a 2 hour lapping evening with Midnight Runs.

This would be Dad’s first lapping day ever and my first lapping day in over a year since bouncing off the wall at Calabogie. Switching gears mentally from auto-x to lapping was a little difficult. Auto-x can be very harsh with quick sudden inputs. Lapping is smoother and requires a more calculated approach. I took dad out for a few laps to show him the track and the set out on my own for a few laps to shake off the cobwebs. It was really frustrating remembering how fast I used to be on that course and how foreign it felt to me now.

Dad went out for a handful of sessions too and aside from needing constant reminders to keep both hands on the wheel and to pay attention to my slipping clutch, he did pretty well.

After starting the day at 6:30 am, we hit the sack around 11 pm knowing we’d be doing it all over the next day.

BDAY MONDAY!

6:30 hits (again) and we’re awake and getting ready. We check out of the motel, grabbed some food and head to the track. The driver’s meeting is at 8:45 and you cannot run if you miss it.
Unfortunately, our demeanors were the only sunny part of our morning as we were met with thunderstorms on our drive to the track. Of course, this had me nervous. 1) My intake is open to the environment right now and the engine cuts out when it’s wet out and 2) The last time I lapped in the rain I did a 360 at >120 km/h before going down the track backwards and into a guard rail. Cue the butterflies :$.

The MCO lapping instructors were down for the day doing a certification exercise and graciously offered to provide “Free” instruction to anyone who wanted it. I got dad paired up with Steve F. and sent him out first in the morning. Dad was put in the beginner class and I volunteered for the intermediate class as I don’t have the ponies to run with the big boys. By the time dad finished his 20 minute heat, the track had started to dry up and I set out to test my limits. After a few warm up laps to get the tires going and to get my confidence up, I put the hammer down. Shannonville is an awesome track because it’s flat and allows you to see the majority of the track from any location. The downside to being flat is that it’s very much a “straight line” or “point and shoot” track. Hard acceleration and even harder braking. The Hawk pads held up though and fade was minimal.

We spent the morning rolling through the 3 run groups in 20 minute heats. The afternoon was a little more interesting. The run groups were decreased to two: Fast and Less-Fast and the heats were increased to 30 minutes. The “Less-Fast” group was also given permission to pass anywhere on track (with a point –by) compared to the morning where we were only allowed to pass on the two straight aways. This made for a really fun afternoon. While the protégé doesn’t have much in the form of straight-line speed, it makes up a lot of ground in the corners. I had an E46 M3 and a 2009-2010 Mustang both point me by in corners. I won’t lie – it felt pretty good.

By 4pm Dad and I were both toast. I actually ended up taking a short nap on the wall separating pit lane from the paddock area. We decided to pack up early and ended up heading for home around 5pm.

The drive home was very relaxing compared to the drive down. On the drive down, I had just finished spending 4 days bolting the car together and while I have faith in my own work, you never know what can happen. After spending 4 days racing and 2 of the 4 at speeds >120 km/h, my faith never wavered. I spent the drive home letting the experience set in. It was a great weekend in general and an amazing way to spend my birthday but being able to spend it with my Dad made it that much more special.


Our first local event is Sunday June 3rd and our next lapping day is June 22 at Calabogie. I’ve now gone back to working on the BMW.
Stay tuned for more.
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Re: BMW Project Car #323

Postby schmoo » Fri Jun 01, 2012 2:55 pm

I suspect this excellent write-up will appear in the Link soon. :)

I wish we could have done more of the weekend, but it was cool hangin' with you and your Dad.
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